provoice:

pansymandy:

provoice:

pansymandy:

provoice:

waanderingstaar:

provoice:

abolishhumanabortionaha:

provoice:

No, but something is INSIDE MY BODY and therefore I have every right to decide what happens with it.

No one has the right to use someone else’s body without their consent.

Wow, you heartless pro-aborts don’t even pretend its not a living baby anymore. Now your just like “yeah, but I deserve to be able to kill babies because Im so self centered.” Hey, at least you’re finally honest.

I’ll ignore the tasteless insult because it’s irrelevant to the argument.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to take charge and control of your own life. It’s okay to be selfish sometimes. It’s okay to take care of yourself.

You’re obviously new to arguing about abortions, because you still use the “omg you’re killing babies!” thing. Let’s move on from the simplest form of the argument and actually have an intelligent debate.

You can’t have a intelligent debate with people who come from a misogynistic stand point. It just never works. Besides reproductive rights are not something to be debated they are something to be respected, it’s a shame we have to have the word “rights” just because there are people who create a need for the word by not respecting others as autonomous self aware individuals.

Very true - good point.

I am sorry, but taking care of yourself shouldnt involve killing a child. That is just wrong. so wrong. There are many support groups out there. Many families that want to adopt babies because they cant have their own. The saddest thing I have seen is women who so badly want children having to watch other women who are capable of having children aborting left and right like it is a birth control. its disgusting.

“13For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb. 14I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well. 15My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place, when I was woven together in the depths of the earth. 16Your eyes saw my unformed body; all the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be.” Psalm 139:13-16

It’s not “killing a child,” it’s terminating a pregnancy. Children are born - an embryo or fetus is not.

Since there are so many families who want to adopt, let’s point them in the direction of the foster care/adoption system. There are thousands of children who would be elated to have a loving home.

I am also not obligated to give someone a child. That’s not my job.

Thanks for the Bible verse - I already know it, though.

(PS: people don’t use abortion like birth control. Abortions are expensive and extremely uncomfortable, so like, no one has them all the time. Just sayin’.)

okay well you are a Christian aren’t you? so how do you feel about that Bible verse?! I have met pro choice Christians and I have always wondered their opinion on it and others which I will give at the end.

most children in need of foster care and adoption are children that were put up for adoption that are older, not at birth. most babies that are put up for adoption find homes right away because most families who adopt are looking for babies. Gay parents being a huge part of that.

90% of abortions are done for social reasons and some women after having one abortion due to guilt will have multiple. And if it is not used for birth control then how come I have met so many women who have had multiple abortions?! 90% of down syndrome children are aborted because the family doesn’t want them.

And you also shouldnt have the right to kill the child either. Why wouldn’t you want to give a child life especially if God has a plan for them? “Then the word of the Lord came to me, saying: “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you; before you were born I sanctified you; I ordained you a prophet to the nations.” Jeremiah 1:4-5.

This verse declares that God Himself said that He formed and knew the baby… before the baby was born. “Truly children are a gift from the Lord; the fruit of the womb is a reward” Psalm 127:3

the Bible teaches that children are a blessing (which they really are) This sin of child-sacrifice, in fact, is mentioned as one of the major reasons that the Kingdom of Israel was destroyed by the Assyrians and the people taken into exile. “They mutilated their sons and daughters by fire…till the Lord, in his great anger against Israel, put them away out of his sight” (2 Kings 17:17-18).

The child may not be born yet, but it is still the parent’s son or daughter, and they are still parents. Women who abort their children are still mothers. “When men strive together and hit a pregnant woman, so that her children come out, but there is no harm, the one who hit her shall surely be fined, as the woman’s husband shall impose on him, and he shall pay as the judges determine. But if there is harm, then you shall pay life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe. Not Helpful Exodus 21:22-25

And Hazael said, “Why does my lord weep?” He answered, “Because I know the evil that you will do to the people of Israel. You will set on fire their fortresses, and you will kill their young men with the sword and dash in pieces their little ones and rip open their pregnant women.” Not Helpful 2 Kings 8:12 Keep far from a false charge, and do not kill the innocent and righteous, for I will not acquit the wicked. Exodus 23:7

there are so many more and I can send them if you want me too. What is your opinion on them?

I am a Christian, yes. United Methodist, to be exact.

That verse is very lovely. God DOES know us before we are born; He forms us in His image with love and care.

That being said, God also knows that some of His children will be aborted. He knows that some women* that He created will have abortions. That doesn’t make those women* any less special to Him. He knows every single plan for every single person. Maybe it’s not the right time for those children to be born. Maybe there’s another person out there better suited to bring that child into the world. I’m not God, so I can’t provide an accurate answer.

Firstly, I must ask you to please cite your sources. It’s very difficult for me to believe what you say if you don’t back it up.

Please remember that not all children being put up for adoption are white or healthy.

In 2011, 54,419 children aged 1 year or younger were waiting to be adopted. The numbers for children aged older than 2 years were lower. (X)

400,464 children in total were in the foster care system in 2011. Out of those, 94,629 were waiting to be adopted. (X)

39,697 babies under the age of 1 (the vast majority put in right after birth) entered the system in 2011. Only 10,780 left the system that year. A majority of those adopted were white. (X)

So yes, quite a few babies are not adopted right away. Their chances are very, very low at being adopted if they are not white or healthy. A lot of children in the system have been there their whole life.

Why do parents only want babies? Aren’t the older children important too?

The reasons women give for having an abortion underscore their understanding of the responsibilities of parenthood and family life. Three-fourths of women cite concern for or responsibility to other individuals; three-fourths say they cannot afford a child; three-fourths say that having a baby would interfere with work, school or the ability to care for dependents; and half say they do not want to be a single parent or are having problems with their husband or partner. (X)

It’s not birth control because it’s not preventing pregnancy. The pregnancy is already there - abortion terminates it.

So what if women* have multiple abortions? Perhaps they aren’t ready for children. Or their contraception has failed. Or they can’t get contraception because they can’t afford it or don’t have access to it. Or maybe they never wanted children at all. It’s really none of your business.

As for the Downs thing - it’s okay if a family cannot support a special needs child. Raising a child with special needs is both expensive and very taxing emotionally. It takes a lot of work. Even if the pregnant person carries the pregnancy and puts the child up for adoption, the likelihood of that child being adopted is low.

Remember that no one has the right to use my body against my will or without my consent. (Consent to sex, by the way, is not consent to pregnancy. Yes, you can acknowledge the risks, but that doesn’t mean I’m planning or wanting to get pregnant). If something is using my body, I have every right to remove it.

The Jeremiah verse is God speaking to Jeremiah and Jeremiah only because he was going to be a prophet.

Yes, babies can be a blessing. But they’re not blessings to everyone - especially if someone doesn’t want a child.

For the verse in 2 Kings, those children were born, and it was therefore murder.

The “eye for an eye” thing - let’s assume those pregnancies were wanted (although there’s a chance some weren’t) and that the pregnant person was relatively far along. Someone else forcibly terminated a person’s pregnancy - firstly, that violates the pregnant person’s bodily autonomy. Secondly, it kills a wanted pregnancy. Of course, no one should be hurting another person, now should they?

The big thing on those final verses is that people are hurting other people. No one has the right to cause injury to someone else. Those verses have nothing to do with abortion (yeah yeah, there’s the mention of pregnant women and their unborn - but remember that the choice of pregnancy has been taken from them and that the pregnant person has been hurt or killed).

Basically, no one has the right to use my body without my consent. It’s okay if someone chooses to terminate their pregnancy because it’s none of your business or mine. People don’t need others to tell them that their reasons for an abortion are not justified because only the person getting the abortion can justify it.

Abortion is not black and white - there are many complicated reasons that people have them, and ultimately, it is a decision that belongs to them.

• the percentage of infants given up for adoption has declined from 9 percent of those born before 1973 to 1 percent of those born between 1996 and 2002. The reason why more older children are adopted now is because most women abort their children now. Generally older foster kids put up for adoption were born into a family where the parents eventually realize later on they cannot take care of them or they pass away. I am not lying, I have met multiple people who have given their child up for adoption at birth and I have yet to meet a women who has put their child up for adoption while pregnant and hasn’t found a home by birth http://www.pbs.org/pov/offandrunning/adoption_fact_sheet.php I never said God didn’t think anyone is less special. We are all sinners and we are all equally sinners in his eyes but I don’t believe God supports woman aborting their children due to what has been written in psalms especially and to me a child is a child even when a mother is pregnant so all the verses to me still apply to preborn children. I don’t believe there is anything wrong with children being in foster care either (I had a foster brother for 8 years) we never adopted him but he grew up with us and is proud to call us his family as my parents are proud to call their son and he being my brother. He also had a child in high school when living with us and they choose not to abort. They didn’t have much support from his girlfriends family, they were in high school but they fought through it and gave their son who is now in high school and doing amazing a great life to live. I still think it is selfish, there are support groups out there that are willing to support women who decide not to abort and need financial help. I think it is selfish to abort due to it interfering with your work schedule. I child doesn’t choose to be created, it is brought into the world due to intercourse. the baby inside a womans womb is not their body. The right to life is a basic, fundamental, and inalienable human right that is being taken away, because they think that having sex should not deal consequences. I don’t believe women should have unprotected sex and then complain if they wind up pregnant. Children aren’t asked to be in this world, they are brought in by the actions of two people. A seed can’t say, hey I would like to be brought into the world now. Women adults must not be selfish, and allow the possibility that a living fetus will occupy their womb. Once an egg is fertilized and form a baby inside your womb, it no longer becomes the womans body. It becomes the womans, AND the babies body. If you smoke or drink during the pregnancy, you are hurting the baby. If you abort the pregnancy, you are killing it. You do understand that most people who abort the down syndrome children are because they dont want to raise a speacial needs child. I know it is refering to Jeremiah but fro that verse I think it is easy to understand that God does forsee everything and has plans for our lives. Overall though, my main questions were both on the Psalms that I posted, most people who are pro choice and Christians dont really reply to those verses.

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free2be-youandme:

pansymandy:

provoice:

pansymandy:

provoice:

waanderingstaar:

provoice:

abolishhumanabortionaha:

provoice:

No, but something is INSIDE MY BODY and therefore I have every right to decide what happens with it.

No one has the right to use someone else’s body without their consent.

Wow, you heartless pro-aborts don’t even pretend its not a living baby anymore. Now your just like “yeah, but I deserve to be able to kill babies because Im so self centered.” Hey, at least you’re finally honest.

I’ll ignore the tasteless insult because it’s irrelevant to the argument.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to take charge and control of your own life. It’s okay to be selfish sometimes. It’s okay to take care of yourself.

You’re obviously new to arguing about abortions, because you still use the “omg you’re killing babies!” thing. Let’s move on from the simplest form of the argument and actually have an intelligent debate.

You can’t have a intelligent debate with people who come from a misogynistic stand point. It just never works. Besides reproductive rights are not something to be debated they are something to be respected, it’s a shame we have to have the word “rights” just because there are people who create a need for the word by not respecting others as autonomous self aware individuals.

Very true - good point.

I am sorry, but taking care of yourself shouldnt involve killing a child. That is just wrong. so wrong. There are many support groups out there. Many families that want to adopt babies because they cant have their own. The saddest thing I have seen is women who so badly want children having to watch other women who are capable of having children aborting left and right like it is a birth control. its disgusting.

“13For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb. 14I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well. 15My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place, when I was woven together in the depths of the earth. 16Your eyes saw my unformed body; all the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be.” Psalm 139:13-16

It’s not “killing a child,” it’s terminating a pregnancy. Children are born - an embryo or fetus is not.

Since there are so many families who want to adopt, let’s point them in the direction of the foster care/adoption system. There are thousands of children who would be elated to have a loving home.

I am also not obligated to give someone a child. That’s not my job.

Thanks for the Bible verse - I already know it, though.

(PS: people don’t use abortion like birth control. Abortions are expensive and extremely uncomfortable, so like, no one has them all the time. Just sayin’.)

okay well you are a Christian aren’t you? so how do you feel about that Bible verse?! I have met pro choice Christians and I have always wondered their opinion on it and others which I will give at the end.

most children in need of foster care and adoption are children that were put up for adoption that are older, not at birth. most babies that are put up for adoption find homes right away because most families who adopt are looking for babies. Gay parents being a huge part of that.

90% of abortions are done for social reasons and some women after having one abortion due to guilt will have multiple. And if it is not used for birth control then how come I have met so many women who have had multiple abortions?! 90% of down syndrome children are aborted because the family doesn’t want them.

And you also shouldnt have the right to kill the child either. Why wouldn’t you want to give a child life especially if God has a plan for them? “Then the word of the Lord came to me, saying: “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you; before you were born I sanctified you; I ordained you a prophet to the nations.” Jeremiah 1:4-5.

This verse declares that God Himself said that He formed and knew the baby… before the baby was born. “Truly children are a gift from the Lord; the fruit of the womb is a reward” Psalm 127:3

the Bible teaches that children are a blessing (which they really are) This sin of child-sacrifice, in fact, is mentioned as one of the major reasons that the Kingdom of Israel was destroyed by the Assyrians and the people taken into exile. “They mutilated their sons and daughters by fire…till the Lord, in his great anger against Israel, put them away out of his sight” (2 Kings 17:17-18).

The child may not be born yet, but it is still the parent’s son or daughter, and they are still parents. Women who abort their children are still mothers. “When men strive together and hit a pregnant woman, so that her children come out, but there is no harm, the one who hit her shall surely be fined, as the woman’s husband shall impose on him, and he shall pay as the judges determine. But if there is harm, then you shall pay life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe. Not Helpful Exodus 21:22-25

And Hazael said, “Why does my lord weep?” He answered, “Because I know the evil that you will do to the people of Israel. You will set on fire their fortresses, and you will kill their young men with the sword and dash in pieces their little ones and rip open their pregnant women.” Not Helpful 2 Kings 8:12 Keep far from a false charge, and do not kill the innocent and righteous, for I will not acquit the wicked. Exodus 23:7

there are so many more and I can send them if you want me too. What is your opinion on them?

Who said that your god has ANY bearing on my body?

OH WAIT—THERE ARE MORE RELIGIONS IN AMERICA THAN JUST CHRISTIANITY??!?1?

NOT ALL DECISIONS ON ABORTION INVOLVE A GOD OR YOUR GOD??!?!?!!

AMERICA IS NOT A CHRISTIAN COUNTRY?1?/??

WHAT

andd again.. if you actually read the convo you would understand that provoice is a Christian and I was asking her opinion because she is a pro choice Christian and I am a pro life Christian. I dont involve the Bible when debating with nonbelievers. Please actually look into the convo before making assumptions!

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My answer:

you must be pro choice, my God knows everyone before the womb and has a beautiful plan for everyone and doesnt want it to be destroyed by careless people who dont use birth control.

My answer:

thank you!! I am trying :) God Bless!

My answer:

thank you! I actually had a foster brother for 8 years myself, I love him to pieces and he loves life! he got his gf pregnant in high school and they decided not to abort him! There are soo many other options!

zingey:

pansymandy:

provoice:

pansymandy:

provoice:

waanderingstaar:

provoice:

abolishhumanabortionaha:

provoice:

No, but something is INSIDE MY BODY and therefore I have every right to decide what happens with it.

No one has the right to use someone else’s body without their consent.

Wow, you heartless pro-aborts don’t even pretend its not a living baby anymore. Now your just like “yeah, but I deserve to be able to kill babies because Im so self centered.” Hey, at least you’re finally honest.

I’ll ignore the tasteless insult because it’s irrelevant to the argument.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to take charge and control of your own life. It’s okay to be selfish sometimes. It’s okay to take care of yourself.

You’re obviously new to arguing about abortions, because you still use the “omg you’re killing babies!” thing. Let’s move on from the simplest form of the argument and actually have an intelligent debate.

You can’t have a intelligent debate with people who come from a misogynistic stand point. It just never works. Besides reproductive rights are not something to be debated they are something to be respected, it’s a shame we have to have the word “rights” just because there are people who create a need for the word by not respecting others as autonomous self aware individuals.

Very true - good point.

I am sorry, but taking care of yourself shouldnt involve killing a child. That is just wrong. so wrong. There are many support groups out there. Many families that want to adopt babies because they cant have their own. The saddest thing I have seen is women who so badly want children having to watch other women who are capable of having children aborting left and right like it is a birth control. its disgusting.

“13For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb. 14I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well. 15My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place, when I was woven together in the depths of the earth. 16Your eyes saw my unformed body; all the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be.” Psalm 139:13-16

It’s not “killing a child,” it’s terminating a pregnancy. Children are born - an embryo or fetus is not.

Since there are so many families who want to adopt, let’s point them in the direction of the foster care/adoption system. There are thousands of children who would be elated to have a loving home.

I am also not obligated to give someone a child. That’s not my job.

Thanks for the Bible verse - I already know it, though.

(PS: people don’t use abortion like birth control. Abortions are expensive and extremely uncomfortable, so like, no one has them all the time. Just sayin’.)

okay well you are a Christian aren’t you? so how do you feel about that Bible verse?! I have met pro choice Christians and I have always wondered their opinion on it and others which I will give at the end.

most children in need of foster care and adoption are children that were put up for adoption that are older, not at birth. most babies that are put up for adoption find homes right away because most families who adopt are looking for babies. Gay parents being a huge part of that.

90% of abortions are done for social reasons and some women after having one abortion due to guilt will have multiple. And if it is not used for birth control then how come I have met so many women who have had multiple abortions?! 90% of down syndrome children are aborted because the family doesn’t want them.

And you also shouldnt have the right to kill the child either. Why wouldn’t you want to give a child life especially if God has a plan for them? “Then the word of the Lord came to me, saying: “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you; before you were born I sanctified you; I ordained you a prophet to the nations.” Jeremiah 1:4-5.

This verse declares that God Himself said that He formed and knew the baby… before the baby was born. “Truly children are a gift from the Lord; the fruit of the womb is a reward” Psalm 127:3

the Bible teaches that children are a blessing (which they really are) This sin of child-sacrifice, in fact, is mentioned as one of the major reasons that the Kingdom of Israel was destroyed by the Assyrians and the people taken into exile. “They mutilated their sons and daughters by fire…till the Lord, in his great anger against Israel, put them away out of his sight” (2 Kings 17:17-18).

The child may not be born yet, but it is still the parent’s son or daughter, and they are still parents. Women who abort their children are still mothers. “When men strive together and hit a pregnant woman, so that her children come out, but there is no harm, the one who hit her shall surely be fined, as the woman’s husband shall impose on him, and he shall pay as the judges determine. But if there is harm, then you shall pay life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe. Not Helpful Exodus 21:22-25

And Hazael said, “Why does my lord weep?” He answered, “Because I know the evil that you will do to the people of Israel. You will set on fire their fortresses, and you will kill their young men with the sword and dash in pieces their little ones and rip open their pregnant women.” Not Helpful 2 Kings 8:12 Keep far from a false charge, and do not kill the innocent and righteous, for I will not acquit the wicked. Exodus 23:7

there are so many more and I can send them if you want me too. What is your opinion on them?

I was reading through this very wordy response and I felt that I had to say something.  While you have the right to be pro-life if you wish, even though I feel it’s wrong to impose your own religion’s laws on everyone, I have to correct you on a couple of points.

You site Jeremiah 1:4-5.  What you fail to realize in that section is that he is specifically addressing that one person.  Not every human ever made.  For an example, in the times he punished the “wicked” by destroying many a city, God obviously killed at least one or two pregnant women in turn.  He was speaking to that one person because he was meant to be a prophet.  His birth was prophesized
 from the beginning.  God knew him in the womb to be a prophet.  You never read of him speaking those words to a goat herder, or a shopkeeper, or a tax collector.  No.  Only to a religiously significant person.  So that argument cannot and shot not be used in this case.

You also state the passes Exodus 21:22-25.  That passage as stated by the Jewish scholars, (as in, the peoples whose holy book it was originally), is meant to be saying that if the fetus is expelled, a tax must be paid. Because the fetus is considered goods and/or property of the father that are created through use of the mothers’ body.  In those days, property damage was repayable by a fine on the part of the offender.

“If harm is done,” is referring to the mother.  A fetus is not considered alive, or whole, in Jewish doctrine until a few months into the pregnancy when the fetus is first able to be felt moving.  Abortions for “social purposes” are illegal in this country long before a fetus is that far along in development.  You cannot argue this.  Doctors and scientists from non-biased organizations all agree that this is the case.  Fetuses develop at a standard, set rate and do not folly in it unless there is some sort of complication.  The reason baptism usually occurs around one year is because up until a hundred or so years ago, the rate of infant mortality was enormous.  Many babies did not make it through year one due to the climate, illness, or misunderstandings in medicine and health technology.  Babies were not “official” until they were baptized, and they waited a year to do it to make sure the baby was going to live.

“If harm is done,” an eye for an eye.  This means that if the mother is harms, as she is a contributing member of the tribe/city, this is to be re-payed through the justice system of the time.  Murderers were put to death.  If you cut out an eye, you had an eye removed to provide a sense of justice.  You have to think of it this way.  Back then, according to the bible, if your spouse died or left you, you could not remarry unless it was to the former husband’s brother.  Losing a wife was a much more grievous thing than losing a fetus. 

Heirs back then were considered a commodity.  Females heirs meant being able to give them to men to marry in exchange for money or livestock, as well as to aid in building the family’s reputation for providing well-kept, modest daughters as prospective future wives to the city’s men.  Male heirs were needed to carry on the family name, as it was believed that men held the key to the family.  Women were simply a vessel through which children were created.  Think of them as the microwave oven.  The microwave isn’t part of your meal.  Your meal just cooks inside of it!

So in actuality, the loss of a fetus was a loss of possible money or social bearing.  Where-as, if a man’s wife died, that was it.  He did not have the freedom to remarry as it was considered adultery and sinful.  If his wife died, that means no more children.  That’s why fetuses lost were repaid monetarily, to make up for the debt of not having that heir.  A dead or disabled wife was repaid in turn with exactly the same treatment that fell on her.  Injury if injured.  Death if killed.

And anyway.  Please, please, please do not try to involve religion in a social/political debate.  Your personal belief system does not apply to everyone because not everyone holds that same belief.  So your belief system and religion should never be used to govern anyone’s lives or how they chose to live, or not live them.  Leave religion in church and community.  Leave logistics, studies, statistics, research, and science to government.  Because these are universal things that apply to everyone, where-as your taught beliefs are held only by a handful of the populace.

Thank you.

I DONT bring in Religion unless the other person is a Christian which provoice is one so I was asking HER opinion. BEcause if she is a Christian and believes in the Bible then I am going to ask her what she feels about certain verses involving abortion. Yeah I know the old testament was part of Judaism but it is part of Christianity too. what about Psalsm 127 and 139? those two are the most important verses that I was aiming towards? you didnt say anything about them. Yes, a child is considered a treasure and it still should be now, if God considered it important back then then I garuntee you he hasnt changed. Even if he is refering to one person in Jeremiah, my point was is he has a plan for everyone and he knows a person before they are even concieved. NOT ONLY THIS but if you reread back at the top of my convo I was talking about things that didnt include religion as well. If you arent a Christian, thats fine, I was talking to another Christian. I debate on abortion without the bible all the time. But when it comes to other believers then I am curious their opinion on the Bible. SO PLEASE actually look into what you are reading, because as far as I am concerned, she is part of the Church community and I was nicely asking her opinion. thanks.

(Source: jvr2015)

provoice:

pansymandy:

provoice:

waanderingstaar:

provoice:

abolishhumanabortionaha:

provoice:

No, but something is INSIDE MY BODY and therefore I have every right to decide what happens with it.

No one has the right to use someone else’s body without their consent.

Wow, you heartless pro-aborts don’t even pretend its not a living baby anymore. Now your just like “yeah, but I deserve to be able to kill babies because Im so self centered.” Hey, at least you’re finally honest.

I’ll ignore the tasteless insult because it’s irrelevant to the argument.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to take charge and control of your own life. It’s okay to be selfish sometimes. It’s okay to take care of yourself.

You’re obviously new to arguing about abortions, because you still use the “omg you’re killing babies!” thing. Let’s move on from the simplest form of the argument and actually have an intelligent debate.

You can’t have a intelligent debate with people who come from a misogynistic stand point. It just never works. Besides reproductive rights are not something to be debated they are something to be respected, it’s a shame we have to have the word “rights” just because there are people who create a need for the word by not respecting others as autonomous self aware individuals.

Very true - good point.

I am sorry, but taking care of yourself shouldnt involve killing a child. That is just wrong. so wrong. There are many support groups out there. Many families that want to adopt babies because they cant have their own. The saddest thing I have seen is women who so badly want children having to watch other women who are capable of having children aborting left and right like it is a birth control. its disgusting.

“13For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb. 14I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well. 15My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place, when I was woven together in the depths of the earth. 16Your eyes saw my unformed body; all the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be.” Psalm 139:13-16

It’s not “killing a child,” it’s terminating a pregnancy. Children are born - an embryo or fetus is not.

Since there are so many families who want to adopt, let’s point them in the direction of the foster care/adoption system. There are thousands of children who would be elated to have a loving home.

I am also not obligated to give someone a child. That’s not my job.

Thanks for the Bible verse - I already know it, though.

(PS: people don’t use abortion like birth control. Abortions are expensive and extremely uncomfortable, so like, no one has them all the time. Just sayin’.)

okay well you are a Christian aren’t you? so how do you feel about that Bible verse?! I have met pro choice Christians and I have always wondered their opinion on it and others which I will give at the end.

most children in need of foster care and adoption are children that were put up for adoption that are older, not at birth. most babies that are put up for adoption find homes right away because most families who adopt are looking for babies. Gay parents being a huge part of that.

90% of abortions are done for social reasons and some women after having one abortion due to guilt will have multiple. And if it is not used for birth control then how come I have met so many women who have had multiple abortions?! 90% of down syndrome children are aborted because the family doesn’t want them.

And you also shouldnt have the right to kill the child either. Why wouldn’t you want to give a child life especially if God has a plan for them? “Then the word of the Lord came to me, saying: “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you; before you were born I sanctified you; I ordained you a prophet to the nations.” Jeremiah 1:4-5.

This verse declares that God Himself said that He formed and knew the baby… before the baby was born. “Truly children are a gift from the Lord; the fruit of the womb is a reward” Psalm 127:3

the Bible teaches that children are a blessing (which they really are) This sin of child-sacrifice, in fact, is mentioned as one of the major reasons that the Kingdom of Israel was destroyed by the Assyrians and the people taken into exile. “They mutilated their sons and daughters by fire…till the Lord, in his great anger against Israel, put them away out of his sight” (2 Kings 17:17-18).

The child may not be born yet, but it is still the parent’s son or daughter, and they are still parents. Women who abort their children are still mothers. “When men strive together and hit a pregnant woman, so that her children come out, but there is no harm, the one who hit her shall surely be fined, as the woman’s husband shall impose on him, and he shall pay as the judges determine. But if there is harm, then you shall pay life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe. Not Helpful Exodus 21:22-25

And Hazael said, “Why does my lord weep?” He answered, “Because I know the evil that you will do to the people of Israel. You will set on fire their fortresses, and you will kill their young men with the sword and dash in pieces their little ones and rip open their pregnant women.” Not Helpful 2 Kings 8:12 Keep far from a false charge, and do not kill the innocent and righteous, for I will not acquit the wicked. Exodus 23:7

there are so many more and I can send them if you want me too. What is your opinion on them?

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provoice:

waanderingstaar:

provoice:

abolishhumanabortionaha:

provoice:

No, but something is INSIDE MY BODY and therefore I have every right to decide what happens with it.

No one has the right to use someone else’s body without their consent.

Wow, you heartless pro-aborts don’t even pretend its not a living baby anymore. Now your just like “yeah, but I deserve to be able to kill babies because Im so self centered.” Hey, at least you’re finally honest.

I’ll ignore the tasteless insult because it’s irrelevant to the argument.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to take charge and control of your own life. It’s okay to be selfish sometimes. It’s okay to take care of yourself.

You’re obviously new to arguing about abortions, because you still use the “omg you’re killing babies!” thing. Let’s move on from the simplest form of the argument and actually have an intelligent debate.

You can’t have a intelligent debate with people who come from a misogynistic stand point. It just never works. Besides reproductive rights are not something to be debated they are something to be respected, it’s a shame we have to have the word “rights” just because there are people who create a need for the word by not respecting others as autonomous self aware individuals.

Very true - good point.

I am sorry, but taking care of yourself shouldnt involve killing a child. That is just wrong. so wrong. There are many support groups out there. Many families that want to adopt babies because they cant have their own. The saddest thing I have seen is women who so badly want children having to watch other women who are capable of having children aborting left and right like it is a birth control. its disgusting.

“13For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb. 14I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well. 15My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place, when I was woven together in the depths of the earth. 16Your eyes saw my unformed body; all the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be.” Psalm 139:13-16

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milindso:

iplaywithrocks:

pansymandy:

I KNOW that the 1900s feminists did a lot and I am grateful for that. I dont like TODAY’S feminists.

???

In the 1900’s the feminists actually fought for the right things and got stuff done. If you look at feminists today (especially the ones here on…

they got angry when I said most men aren’t rapists. Like really? most men AREN’T rapists. lol.